ASK FATHER A QUESTION
ON MATTERS OF FAITH OR LITURGY
 
 
 
Father Raymond V. Dunn, O.S.J.   paxmulta3@hotmail.com
 
 
Because of the volume of questions, Father may not be able
to answer all of them but will concentrate on questions of general
interest to Catholics, especially to matters related 
to the Traditional Latin Mass.
 

 
The following version is a revision of the original text.  The revised text was mailed to the web site of the St. Peter Claver Society for publication in Jan. 2005
 
 
Q.  Father, could you clear up some of the confusion Catholics today are experiencing with the Liturgy as it is being carried out in many of our Churches today? 
 
A.  Some have described the state of the liturgy in the Church today as a crisis in faith, and this is correct.  Lex orandi est Lex credendi.  This means that the way we pray is the way we believe.
 
Before looking at the developments in liturgy, we should look at some of the irreformable dogmatic decrees of some earlier ecumenical councils, especially those of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) and Vatican I (1869-1870).  Some counciliar decrees, including all those of Vatican II, are not dogmatic.  That is, they do not define what is required for Catholics to hold and believe.
 
Most of the twenty one general councils were held to defend matters of faith which required definition because of attacks by heretics.  Such a council was certainly the Council of Trent held after the attacks against the faith by Protestant Reformers.
 
Let us consider a few excerpts from the Council of Trent on the Eucharist and the Mass.  Please note that the phrase "let him be anathema" at the end of the canons indicates a dogmatic definition.  The word "anathema" is the same as the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.  This strong phrase is used to leave no doubt in the matter.
 
Regarding the Eucharist:  "If anyone denies that the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore the whole Christ is truly, really and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, but says that Christ is present in the Sacrament only as a sign or figure, or by his power, let him be anathema." 
 
Comment:  Since Christ is present in the Eucharist, the greatest reverence and adoration should be shown to the Blessed Sacrament.
 
Trent:  "If anyone says that Christ, the only begotten Son of God is not to be adored in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist with the worship of latria, (the highest degree of adoration reserved for God only) including the external worship, and that the Sacrament, therefore, is not to be honored with extraordinary festive celebrations nor solemnly carried from place to place in processions according to the praiseworthy universal rite and custom of the holy Church; or that the Sacrament is not to be publicly exposed for the people's adoration, and that those who adore it are idolaters, let him be anathema."
 
For many years Benediction of the Most Blessed Sacrament and Corpus Christi processions were commonplace in every parish.  Today this is rare.
 
Trent:  "...this holy council has determined and decreed that those who have mortal sin on their conscience, no matter how contrite they may think they are, must necessarily make a sacramental confession before receiving (Communion), provided that they have access to a confessor.  If anyone presumes to teach, or preach, or stubbornly maintain, or defend in public disputation the opposite of this, he is excommunicated."
 
Comment:  The opportunity for sacramental confession was formerly quite frequently available.  Today in the modern world the reality of sin is denied, and many approach Holy Communion without the required spiritual preparation.
 
Trent:  If anyone says that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God or that the sacrificial offering consists merely in the fact that Christ is given us to eat:  let him be anathema."
 
Comment:  To represent this eternal sacrifice, altars, not tables were used.  Today we have witnessed the destruction of our altars and in their place are tables which symbolize eating and drinking, not sacrifice.  Today many liturgical writers stress that the Mass is but a memorial meal.  True, it is also that, but not solely.  The main element is always sacrifice.
 
Trent:  "If anyone says that the Sacrifice of the Mass is merely an offering of praise and of thanksgiving, or that it is a simple memorial of the sacrifice offered on the cross, and not propitiatory, or that is benefits only those who communicate; and that it should not be offered for the living and the dead, for sins, punishments, satisfaction, and other necessities, let him be anathema."
 
Comment:  It is clear that the Mass is a re-enactment of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross and that its purpose is the same as the redemptive act of our Lord.
 
In addition to conciliar decrees, other sources of liturgical instruction are the encyclicals of the Popes.  Outstanding among these is the great encyclical letter of Pope Pius XII on the sacred liturgy entitled Mediator Dei.  Its subject is the sacred liturgy.
 
Today we hear much about the priesthood of the laity, a gift conferred by their baptism.  Because the word priesthood is used, many moderns understand this to pertain to the recipient of the sacrament of Holy Orders and to the priesthood of all believers and the priesthood conferred by the Sacrament of Holy Orders, are one in the same.  Listen to what Pius XII has to say on this in Mediator Dei:  (numbers are to paragraphs in the encyclical).
 
"The fact, however, that the faithful participate in the Eucharistic Sacrafice does not mean that they also are endowed with priestly power. (#82)  It is very necessary that you make this quite clear to your flocks.  For there are today . . .those who are dangerously near falling into errors long since condemned.  For they teach that in the New Testament the word 'priesthood' means only that priesthood which applies to all who have been baptized; and hold that the command by which Christ gave power to His Apostles at the Last Supper to do what He Himself had done, applies directly to the entire Christian Church, and that, thence only, arises the hierarchical priesthood.  Hence they assert that the people are possessed of a true priestly power, while the priest only acts in virtue of an office delegated to him by the community, wherefore, they look on the eucharistic sacrifice as a 'concelebration' in the literal meaning of that term and consider it more fitting that priests should 'concelebrate' with the people present and that they (i.e. priests) should not offer the sacrifice privately when the people are absent.  (#83)
 
"We deem it necessary to recall that the priest acts for the people only because he represents Jesus Christ, who is the Head of all His members and offers himself in their stead.  Hence, he goes to the altar as the minister of Christ, inferior to Christ, but superior to the people.  The people, on the other hand, since they in no sense represent the Divine Redeemer and are not mediator between themselves and God, can in no way possess the sacerdotal power." (#84)
 
Comment:  Despite this clear teaching, there many today who think that they will be just as well served by an extraordinary minister of Communion and that Mass offered by a priest is no longer necessary.  Unfortuneately, today some bishops seem more preoccupied in preparing laity for priest roles than trying to fill the near empty seminaries.  We all know that we are obliged to attend Mass on Sundays and holy days, but there is no obligation to attend a paraliturgical service.  If this policy is promoted, not only the seminaries but the churches will be empty.
 
How often have you heard it said when someone refers to a doctrine of faith not found to be to the liking of the hearer, something like, "Well, that's all changed now since Vatican II."  It is clear from the doctrine of the Church that the dogmatic decrees of ecumenical councils in union with the Roman Pontiff are IRREFORMABLE.  It is also true that the decrees of Vatican II are pastoral.  They are dogmatic only when they affirm what has been infallibly taught by previous councils.  As Vatican I says so clearly, "The Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors of Peter that by the revelation of the Holy Spirit they might disclose new doctrine, but that by His help they might guard sacredly the revelation transmitted through the Apostles and the deposit of faith, and might faithfully set it forth."
 
Let us make now some overview of what Vatican II decided with respect to liturgy.  The main document is entitled SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM, (Dec. 4, 1963).  This was meant to be a constitution for liturgical reform.  Therefore, to be faithful to the Council, no post conciliar decrees contravening this constitution should have been enacted.  As we all know a constitution is the basis of law.  In the U.S. for example, if a legislature attempt to enact a law not in conformity with the Constitution, that may be declared unconstitutional and have no effect.
 
I shall answer a few common questions:
 
Q.  What did the Vatican Council actually say with respect to:
 
1)  Turning the altars to face the people?  A.  Nothing
 
2)  The use of Latin in the Mass?  A.  "The use of the Latin language, with due respect to particular law, is to be preserved in the Latin rites."  {art. 36 (1)}.  In the next sub-paragraph it said that "a wider use of the vernacular might be used in readings, directives and in some prayers and chants."  {art 36 (2)}.
 
3)  Communion in the hand?  A.  Nothing.  In March of 1969 this question was put to the Church's bishops in this form:  "Do you think that attention should be paid to the desire that.....the rite of receiving Holy Communion on the hand be admitted?"
A.  Yes, 597;  No.  1223;  Yes but with reservations, 315.
                
Q.   "Do you think that the faithful will receive this new rite gladly, after a proper catechetical preparation?"
 
A.  Yes, 835;  No,  1,185.  As a result, Paul VI in his decree Memoriale Domini of May 29, 1969 did not approve the practice, but he left the matter open for further discussion.
 
Q.  Isn't it true that Pope Paul VI approved the use of altar girls?
 
A.  No, in fact a Vatican document published Sept. 5, 1970 said:  "The traditional liturgical norms of the Church prohibit women (young girls, married women, religious) from serving the priest at the altar, even in women's chapels, houses, convents, schools and institutes."  {par. #7 Liturgiae Instaurationes of the Sacred Congregation of Divine Worship.}
 
Q.  Isn't it true that Sacrasanctum Concilium approved of the use of guitars and bongo drums at Mass?
 
A.  "The Church recognizes Gregorian Chant as being especially suitable to the Roman Liturgy.  Therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services." {116}  "The Pipe organ is to be held in high esteem in the Latin Church, for it is the traditional musical instrument, the sound of which can add a wonderful splendor to the Church's ceremonies and powerfully lift up men's minds to God and higher things."  {120}
 
The camel's nose under the tent, however, is found later in article 120:  "But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship;...they (should) accord with the dignity of the temple and truly contribute to the edification of the faithful."  You be the judges of whether bongo drums fit this description!
 
Q.  Didn't Vatican II suggest the removal of statues?
 
A.  "The practice of placing sacred images in churches so that they may be venerated by the faithful is to be maintained." {125}.
 
Q.  Isn't it true that Vatican II approved of many innovations?
 
A.  "......there must be no innovations unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them, and care must be taken that any new forms adopted should in some way grow organically from forms already existing." {23}
 
Q.  Isn't according to the spirit of Vatican II that different forms of worship from parish to parish would be acceptable?
 
A.  "As far as possible, notable differences between the rites used in adjacent regions should be avoided." {23}  "Region" is elsewhere in the documents of Vatican II defined as a large territory like the United States, not merely a diocese.
 
Q.  The Novus Ordo Missae (new order of the Mass) was just a reform of the Roman rite, wasn't it?
 
A.  In my opinion and in the opinion of the eminent liturgist Klaus Gamber, it attempts to create a new rite more or less detached from the former.  This seems to be the same view as Cardinal Ratzinger held in his published biography.  The prayer known as the Second Eucharistic Prayer resembles the liturgical and heretical service forced on Catholics by the apostate Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, during the reign of Edward VI in England.  Cranmer was later executed for heresy and his other crimes during the reign of Queen Mary Tudor.  Just before he died, he dramatically rejected the Catholic faith.
 
Q.  Isn't it true that the proper posture from the Sanctus until the end of the Canon is now standing?
 
A.  This was first addressed by the U.S. Conference of bishops in their meeting of November 1969.  They decreed, and the Holy See confirmed, that the proper posture in the United States was to kneel at this time.  The exact words of this decree may be found in any Novus Ordo priests' missal in The Appendix to the General Instruction of the Roman Missal for the Dioceses of the United States of America, paragraph 21.  A proposed change to kneeling during this part of the Mass was discussed and voted upon at the bishops' meeting in 1995.  At that time a move to change was defeated.  Standing may be a sign of respect.  Kneeling is a sign of worship.
 
Q.  Isn't it true that a bishop in his own diocese is completely free to make liturgical changes as he sees fit?
 
A.  The norm of the Council is that there be uniformity of worship in entire regions such as the U.S.  Changes for the region must be voted on by the National Conference of Bishops, pass by a two-third majority and become effective only when approved by the Holy See.  Therefore, no one, whether a bishop or priest, may change the sacred liturgy on his own authority. {par. 22}
 
Now, I wish to discuss briefly the use of the Traditional Latin Mass.  According to the testimony of the Council of Trent the Roman Canon of the Mass traces itself back to the time of the Apostles and was substantially complete by the reign of Pope St. Gregory the Great (590-604).  After the Council of Trent it was found that many variations of the Roman Rite had crept in, and Pope St. Pius V in 1570 required priests, except those of religious orders in existence for two hundred years, to offer Mass according to the Roman rite approved for use in Rome at that time.  He further decreed that no ecclesiastical authority at any future time could deprive any priest of the rite to celebrate Mass in the Latin rite.  It is also interesting to note that the Council of Trent defined that the Roman Canon, also now known as the first Eucharistic prayer in the new Mass, was without any doctrinal error whatever.  No such guarantee is given to any other Canon.
 
For a time after the institution of the Novus Ordo, even though the old rite was never abrograted, it was extremely difficult for priests to celebrate Mass in the traditional rite.  Some priests were even suspended by bishops for continuing to offer the Mass in the traditional Latin form.  Cardinal Heenan of Westminster, England, fortunately, obtained from Paul VI the indult for priests in the United Kingdom to have the option of offering Mass in either rite.  In 1984 Pope John Paul II gave a limited permission to offer Mass in the former rite according to the Roman Missal of 1962.  He also insisted that the rites must never be mixed to create a new thing.  When in 1988, traditionalist Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated bishops without papal mandate in order to preserve the Latin rite, the Pope reacted by offering to priests who would apply an indult to offer the traditional Latin Mass.  At first, this indult was easily granted until some liberal bishops, mostly from western Europe and the United States, complained that the Holy See should not grant this indult without the approval of the local ordinary.  The Pope yielded to these bishops, so in years after 1988 indults are rarer because many local bishops will not go along despite the explicit insistence of the Holy Father that bishops should be "generous" in accomodating the spiritual needs of the faithful attached to the former rite.
 
In 1986 the Pope called a secret commission of nine cardinals to answer these two questions:  1)  Did Pope Paul VI abrogate the Latin rite?  The answer was unanimous in the negative.  The next question was 2)  Does any priest need special permission to offer Mass in the traditional rite?  The response was eight votes in the negative and one in the affirmative.  Again the Pope was prevailed upon by liberals not to publish this result, and he has not.  The source of this information is Cardinal Stickler who served on this commission.
 
At the present time there are several societies of priests who have explicit approval to offer the traditional Mass.  Among them are the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, now accepted in over fourteen dioceses in the U.S. and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign High Priest.  The latter group has been accepted into the dioceses of Rockford, IL, LaCrosse, WI, and Oakland, California.  To date only one California bishop has accepted the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, and it is rumored that another bishop will soon accept the Institute of Christ the King.  This niggardly response is the result despite the petitions of hundreds of Catholics for the traditional Latin Mass.  It may be a surprise to some that many priests are offering these Masses anyway.  The Society of St. Pius X founded by Archbishop Lefebvre offers only the Latin Mass and sacraments.  It serves about a million Catholics in the world, a very significant number.
 
It should be clear from your own experience that many abuses in the liturgy still abound.  One cannot just blame Vatican II.  Most of the post conciliar concessions by Rome arose from practices previously not approved.  Gradually the number of these abuses grew so large that Rome said, "Why not legitimize these things?"
 
What advice do I have for the befuddled laity?  First, read and study the documents of the Councils, the papal encyclicals, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and solid expositions of doctrine.
 
Secondly, insist from your bishops, pastors and priests that the sared liturgy should always be done according to established norms and in a reverent manner without engaging in unlawful experimentation.  Pray especially for the Holy Father, bishops and priests of the Church that they will be faithful to their sacred office.
 
I would like to conclude with some statements of previous Roman Pontiffs.  Regarding the removal from our sanctuaries of beautiful altars, communion rails and statues, Pope Pius VII had this to say in his encyclical letter of May 15, 1800:  "Whoever takes away or intends to take away what other faithful have given from the heritage of their possessions for the care of souls, the honor of God, the beauty of His Church and the use of its ministers assuredly turns the gifts of others into danger for his own soul."  Diu Satis, par. 7}.
 
This Pope's immediate predecessor Pope Pius VI said in his encyclical of Christmas Day, 1775:   "....you should undoubtedly always give special attention to the beauty of the house of God and the splendor and beauty of objects dedicated to the divine service.  Such beauty and splendor often greatly inspire the faithful, and draw them to the veneration of the sacred realities."  Inscrutabile, par. 5}
 
In the same letter Pope Pius VI gives us the words with which I now conclude:  "Assuredly with such reason for fear, we would have no hope of escaping slavery except that the Guardian of Israel, who does not sleep, says to His disciples:  'Behold, I am with you all days even to the consummation of the world.' (Matt. 28:20)  He deigned to be not only the guardian of the sheep, but the shepherd of shepherds as well."  {Inscrutabile, par. 2}
 

 

Q:  We heard it said frequently by bishops, priests and laity that after Vatican II (1962-1965) we are "in the springtime of the Church" and Vatican II has "renewed" the Church. What is your comment on that?

A:  On almost every subject there are myths and there are facts.  Let's look at the facts to answer this question.  Based on a careful study by Kenneth C. Jones in his "Index of Leading Catholic Indicators" we find the following in comparing the situation in 1965 and 2002.

1965

2002

Number of Priests:

58,000

7,200 from other countries; 37,800 from United States

Priestly ordinations:

1,575

450

Seminarians:

49,000

4,700

Religious Sisters:

180,000

75,000 with an average age of 65

Catholic high schools:

1,556

786

Weekly Mass attendance:

74%

25%

Annulments of marriage:

338

50,000

Catholics who believe that one can have an abortion and remain a Catholic in good standing:

?

53%

IF THIS BE "SPRINGTIME", WHAT WOULD WINTER BE LIKE?

 

Q:  What is the need today to restore the Catholic faith?

A:  Fostering good vocations to the priesthood and religious life, education of our children by homeschooling; founding of new seminaries, colleges and orthodox religious orders; return to the reverent and traditional liturgy in our churches:  restoration of the traditional Latin Mass and sacraments.


Q:  Do the Ten Commandments have any reference to the virtue of faith?

A:  The First commandment of God refers to our duties towards God.  The virtues connected to this commandment are the theological virtues of faith, hope and charity.

Q:  Why are these virtues called "theological?"

A:  These are called by that name because God is the object of these virtues.  We believe in God; we hope in Him; we love Him above all other persons.

Q:  From where does faith come?

A:  Faith is a gift of God.  No human being can give us faith.  We begin the work of faith, hope and charity in baptism, and we continue in these virtues throughout our Catholic life.

Q:  What is the connection between faith and baptism?

A:  At baptism the priest or deacon administering the sacrament asks the candidate:  "What do you ask of the Church of God?"  The response is "faith."

Q:  Is there a follow up to this question?

A:  Yes.  The follow up question is "What does faith offer you?  The immediate response is "Eternal life."

Q:  Is anything else required besides faith?

A:  Yes.  Faith must be active as the priest or deacon next reminds the candidate:  "If you wish to have eternal life, you must love the Lord with your whole heart, soul and mind and your neighbor as you love yourself.  On these two commandments depend the whole law and the prophets."

Q:  Apart from an active faith, is there anything else which one must do?

A:  Yes.  One must renounce Satan, all his works and allurements.  We must be aware that Satan is the enemy of God and man and if we accept God in our lives, we must also renounce Satan.

Q:  In the ceremony of baptism, how do we renounce Satan?

A:  We make our profession of faith by reciting the Apostles Creed. 

Q:  Once we have done this, are there any temptations against Faith which may occur in the future?

A:  Yes.  There are three possible sins against Faith.  They are called apostasy, heresy and schism.

Q:  What is apostasy?

A:  The complete rejection of the Catholic Faith.

Q:  What is heresy?

A:  It is the stated and open denial of an article of divine and Catholic Faith.

Q:  What is schism?

A:  Schism is a withdrawl of subjection to the Pope or withdrawal from communion with members of the Church of Christ subject to the Pope.

Q:  Is there a difference between the goverance of states and of the Church?

A:  Yes.  States may have many forms of government like a monarchy, democracy or a republic.  Church government is hierarchical.  This requires obedience to those whom God has appointed to rule the Church, that is to teach, govern and sanctify its members.

Q:  Did the Apostles have problems with faith?

A:  Yes.  Peter asked Christ, "Lord, increase my faith."

Q:  How did our Lord assure Peter that He would be with him?

A:  Our Lord said to Simon Peter:  "Simon, Simon, behold Satan has desired to have you that he may sift you as wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith fail not; and you being once confirmed, confirm your brethren." (Lk. 21:31-32).

Q:  Why is the form of government in the Church "undemocratic?"

A:  It is the will of Christ who founded the Church.  The last words He spoke before ascending into heaven were clearly and unambiguously:  "All power has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.  Going therefore, teach you all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world." (Matt.  28:  18-20).